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[batyatoon]

I support gay rights, and I intend to support gay rights until I no longer have to because they're taken for granted.

I should probably specify that I'm talking about rights under American law. It's been pointed out to me that my religion forbids homosexuality. So it does, and I'm not looking to reform my religion; I'm looking to make sure that religious and civil law stay as separate as they can possibly be.

Which is to say that if the right to open a seafood restaurant weren't taken for granted, I'd support that too.

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[otherdeb.livejournal.com]

You put it perfectly, and thank you for doing so.

One thing that pisses me off massively is the assumption that one cannot possibly support another's right to do something one would not personally do.

This world needs more voices like yours, m'dear.

[batyatoon]

Aww. *blush* Thanks.

And that assumption you mention is indeed irritating. Supporting another's right to do something one would not personally do is what freedom of speech and freedom of religion are about.

And that includes supporting another's right to do not only something that you wouldn't personally do, but something that you don't understand why anyone would want to do.

To which I say again: seafood. Plenty of people can't see why anyone would want to eat a giant underwater-dwelling bug. Doesn't make it a wrong thing to do.

[catalana.livejournal.com]

And that assumption you mention is indeed irritating. Supporting another's right to do something one would not personally do is what freedom of speech and freedom of religion are about.

It's what most freedom is about! I know lots of women who would never have an abortion themselves but are still pro-choice because they don't think it's right to forbid it to others...

[fiddledragon.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

[agonistes]

Thank you.

Many people don't seem to realize that marriage is not the issue at hand; fair treatment is the issue at hand. The optimal solution to this would be to make it so that under the eyes of the United States government, homosexual and heterosexual civil unions granted the same rights as marriage does right now -- effectively making it so that no one, federally, has a marriage. Marriages are a matter for religion, and just as religious morality shouldn't inform access to rights for thousands upon thousands of citizens, neither should the government seek to regulate religious belief that drives that morality.

Also, thank you for changing the wording to this meme, because the way it's been copy-pasted sticks in my craw. I don't plan to post it, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-gay rights. It just means I don't like memes.

*offers mango*

*and uses most inappropriate icon possible*

[gnomi.livejournal.com]

It's been pointed out to me that my religion forbids homosexuality. So it does, and I'm not looking to reform my religion; I'm looking to make sure that religious and civil law stay as separate as they can possibly be.

Which is to say that if the right to open a seafood restaurant weren't taken for granted, I'd support that too.

Hear, hear!

Interestingly enough, this was one of the topics discussed at Shabbat dinner this week.

And at the time, I had no clue of this meme's existence.

[rymenhild.livejournal.com]

I highly respect your perspective and thank you for sharing it.

Personally, I am looking to reform my religion, but I don't have any trouble with the idea that you're not. For one thing, there is a real and measurable difference between the Conservative movement, which explicitly believes that there are times when changing practices is an appropriate response for changing times, and the Orthodox movement(s), which doesn't/don't.

[madfilkentist]

I support people's rights. Gay rights, or black rights, or Seventh-Day Adventist rights, or readhead rights, follow as a consequence.

This is, as you indicate, a matter of the relationship between a government and the people it has power over.